D: You are listening to Community Connections, live from Santa Fe.

C: Our Guest today is Tommy Cichanowski and we are having this wonderful, free-ranging conversation. Tommy is a wealth of information on everything from Ether energy to nutrients and the nutritional needs of plants, and he has created many new things in his whole life. So, we are hearing about all of this.

D: And we are talking about the process of innovation, too.

Now Tommy, before we get into Ether energy, which I really want to leave some time for, we have another couple of minutes here where we can focus on some of the things we were talking about earlier in terms of the chemical industry and some of these new chemicals and things that have been introduced into our culture, into our society, and into our plants as well. And what are the pros and cons of what some of these new chemicals do in our lives.

T: The chemical industry has provided us with a lot of new products. Unfortunately, it has only been with the technology of the last decade that we have learned of some of the harmful effects that different elements such as lead, cadmium and mercury can cause.

I think that the history of man is linked intimately with the history of the chemical industry.

Let's consider the element Lead. These are some of the symptoms of lead toxicity. Mental confusion, visual disturbances, loss of cognitive abilities, anemia, paralysis, convulsions, anti social behavior, among others. When I read that, I just flashed on the old Roman Empire. The "Falling Sickness", the lead pipes, and sugar of lead for sweetening wine.

Now, what is interesting about lead, is that lead is basically a very insoluble material. Vats that are used for making sulfuric acid are lined with lead. However, there are two very common things that will dissolve lead. One of them is the nitrates found in rain water and the other one is aerated water, oxygen dissolved in water.

The Romans set up their aqua–system using a lot of lead for pipes, to bring down water from the mountains, which was loaded with nitrates. This along with the numerous fountains they had, resulted in high lead levels in their water supply. More than enough lead is dissolved in a system like this to bring on symptoms of lead toxicity.

D: You know, that the Germans did this too. The fall of Heidelberg is directly linked to the lead pipes leading from the vats in the basement that held the wine. They pumped it up through lead pipes for parties for all the aristocracies. So essentiality the entire German Aristocracy went mad and Heidelberg fell.

C: That's True. And of course the worst victims of lead poisoning these days in this country and most industrialized countries, are children. Because lead can quickly accumulate to toxic levels with even low levels of exposure. Back in our days in school, we sucked on lead pencils.

T: That used to worry me, but I learned that they don't use lead for pencils.

C: Now they don't.

D: They used to be.

T: Today, pencils are made with graphite.

D: About a hundred years ago, they were actually made out of lead.

C: It seems to me that a lot of the lead that's in the soil and places where children play, possibly came from leaded gasoline.

T: Correct.

C: And that is one of the things, certainly in big major cities, where still a large number of older vehicles use leaded gasoline.

D: Old houses were painted with lead-based paint.

T: That's still a problem because exterior paint is designed to powder off in order to prevent the cracking or peeling that would occur otherwise. And additionally, Mercury is used in exterior paint to prevent mold, etc., from growing on the paint's surface. The resulting dust is highly toxic.

C: And also, I believe this is still happening. Lead is used in imported glassware: leaded glassware, crystal stemware, even beautiful hand made pottery and table settings. Lead is used in the glazes. If you use these for example, for your salad, the acids in your dressings and other foods can cause a reaction with the glazes, and it's possible, I think, to get more than just lead poisoning.

T: There are dozens of different lead compounds that are used for glazing, and there are also dozens of mercury compounds used along with other toxic elements for glazes and paints. So this problem is quite endemic today.

Vitamin C has the ability to chelate heavy metals and carry them out of your system if you are taking more Vitamin C than your body needs.

C: What does it do to them, when you say chelate?

T: It chemically locks on to the heavy metals and holds them until they can be excreted from your system, preventing them from accumulating in your tissues or bones.

D: Ah, that's a good thing. It locks them up and gets rid of them.

T: That's correct.

C: Safely. So your kidneys are not lined with these toxins.

T: That's right. It is a way of getting the toxins out of your body. But you first need to provide for you body's basic need for Vitamin C, which for an average adult is about five grams a day.

D: Right. One last thing about the chemical industry before we get into Ether energy. There is a very, very strong correlation and link, historically, between the same industries that produce chemical fertilizers for our plant foods and the industries that produce gun powder and various kinds of advanced weapons for our defense systems. There has been a historical link between those two. A lot of the same equipment, a lot of the same chemicals both to create fertilizer or to create bombs.

T: Some of my chemicals are yellow-labeled and could explode if mixed improperly.

The chemical industry has been a double-edged sword. They have given us many wonderful things, but it's truly a case of "buyers beware"!

With our new generation of test equipment, we have learned just how dangerous substances can become when taken from nature and purified.

The lesson here is, use things wisely and protect yourself. Wear your mask, wear your gloves, wear your glasses.

D: We're talking about kids playing outdoors now, right?

C: We're talking about big kids and little kids, I think, here.

D: Ya. Tommy, lets move along now. One of the things that we have discussed the other night, when you were visiting, was some very mind-blowing ideas concerning this notion of Ether energy which Eastern mystics have known about for many years and which we in the West are just starting to learn more about. And now you, as a research scientist, are starting to look for this Ether Energy that is all around us and can be harnessed and actually used by us for energy for life. Tell us about this process.

T: One of the problems we have in science, is that often there is more than one name for something, and in this case, we have about twenty names. And Ether is just one that is on the list. Tachyons, Odic, Kilion, and Orgone are others.

James Clerk Maxwell, in the late 1800s, wrote his treatises on electricity and magnetism. And he takes us through a wonderful journey of experiments exploring the nature of electricity and magnetism. At the end of his book, he concludes that he cannot envision how forces can possibly interact at a distance without an intervening medium.

In 1887, Michelson and Morley did an experiment looking for a Static Ether Field and failed to find one. Ever since then, most of the scientific community has adopted the notion that forces can operate at a distance without an intervening medium. This view was not shared by the inventive minds of our greatest innovators like Nikola Tesla, Henry Moray, John Keely or even Gauss.

More recently, we have been hearing from the engineers who have been working on reverse-engineering the alien craft that crashed in Roswell, New Mexico. Although they succeeded in recreating the craft, their statement on how it is able to function was, "I works by magic!" This statement is a result of the current academic view of science that does not allow for the operation of these devices.

However, if we allow our view to consider a dynamic Ether Field, Ah, amazing things can happen. There is an organization of engineers and tinkers who have managed, so far, to create at least twenty different device designs, that are able to tap into this so-called Ether Field and derive energy from it, sometimes mechanical, sometimes electrical and sometimes heat.

C: Do you think someone is dragging their feet in terms of the current laws of physics as is presented in any of the school science books? Is this information being deliberately with-held?

T: It's not so much a matter of deliberately being with-held. It's a matter of people who are in positions and liking their positions; it's a matter of lead toxicity. If your brain has been contaminated by lead or other toxins, your imagination is not open to new possibilities. You're not open to seeing things from various viewpoints: not able to make new cognitive associations.

D: It's like any old order that is starting to break down under change. It gives in to change very, very reluctantly, and it sounds like adopting a new science that embraces and has a place for Ether energy within it, will require more than just that one concept. It's linked to a lot of other things like gravity, for example.

T: Ether is the force of gravity in our current viewpoint. There are international seminars held annually now, where the developers of this technology gather together, and even NASA attends. The various experiments and their results are discussed and many demonstrations are presented.

D: Is this the Association for Clean Energy? Is this one of the groups?

T: This is the International Symposium on New Energy. The last gathering was held in Denver, Colorado, in April last year.

Basically, from this view point, now here is the real catch! Gravity is a push force, not an attractive force. When you get this concept in your head, all of a sudden the Roswell Technology makes sense!

D: What do you mean by Roswell Technology?

C: The UFO crash at Roswell in the 1940s.

T: A UFO crashed near Roswell on July 3, 1947, and a team of engineers was able to reverse-engineer some of the technology that was discovered there.

D: You mean they took apart the pieces and saw how they were put together there and were able to understand the principles of how they worked by how they were put together, and sort of reinvented them, in a sense?

T: They haven't figured out the principles, as far as I have learned. It's been a matter of monkey see, monkey do and its magic that made it flew.

D: So, here in New Mexico, we have for many years been the source for innovative technology from beyond our terrestrial boundaries and limits too, by the sound of it.

T: Yes, there will be many interesting offshoots emerging in the near future.

Getting back to transforming Ether into other energy forms. In the early 1900s, Henry Moray found an interesting rock along a railroad track in Europe. He played with it in Europe for a while, and then later brought it to the U.S. He used it in a circuit similar to the old whisker crystal radios and noticed that it produced very loud clicks in his headphones. After several generations of prototypes, he developed a unit, about the size of a home microwave oven, that could continuously output more than 50,000 watts of electrical energy from this mysterious Ether Field.

D: And this mysterious rock.

T: Using this mysterious rock as part of his circuit. The rock was mostly germanium. Unfortunately, because the test equipment of the day was unable to detect the minute impurities, he was never able to reproduce it in the lab. Today, we know that it is these impurities, what we call doping, that gives germanium its electrical properties and makes it usable for semiconductors.

Later on, Nikola Tesla got his hands on Moray's unit and he devised a way to use six commercially available vacuum tubes to replicate Moray's unit.

Tesla installed this unit in a Pierce Arrow equipped with a eighty horsepower electric motor and was able to sustain speeds of ninety miles per hour with this arrangement.

Personally, I think we all should be glad that these devices invented by Moray and Tesla weren't developed at that time. Just think what might have happened if Hitler's army didn't need to stop for petrol during World War Two.

D: That's what stretched out his supply line so far out to the East: his trying to keep his supplies of petrol flowing. And that gave us the opportunity to win the war. Really!

T: Another issue here is, just a short time earlier, Tesla had worked with J. P. Morgan and George Westinghouse to set up the Niagara Falls power plant, and J. P. Morgan was just not interested in funding a device that could gather free energy from the cosmos.

D: Right. An example of capitalism going amuck here: Morgan thinking, "we have already put our money into this technology. Why change it now?"

T: I have come to believe that this technology is one that Nature only wants us to take little nibbles of. I'm convinced that if we try to build a large power plant using this technology we would, as they say on Star Trek, "rip a hole in the fabric of space". Its alright to take a little nibble, but if you try to take too much, you will create gravimetric disturbances that could cause earthquakes.

Some very amazing things have happened at Los Alamos during some experiments: telephone poles dancing in the parking lot, wood becoming magnetic, steel becoming transparent...

D: Did you have a square dance up there? Wood becoming magnetic? Wait a minute! Wait a minute!

C: You did this at Los Alamos?

T: A researcher named John Hutchison was doing some exotic experiments.

C: How recently?

T: Just a couple of years ago.

C: We were all around here.

D: I remember that transparent steel. Sure.

T: I've been waiting for the Espanola Valley to become the Espanola Reservoir.

C: Wow, this is exciting stuff! We need to have three or four shows on this stuff, Tommy.

D: Well, we've got about another minute here before we take a short break, and then we'll be back with some more wrap-up time with Tommy.

Tell us some more! We've got another minute. Let a few more cats out of the bag about what they have been doing up there on the "hill".

T: One of the things that really excites me about what they are doing up on the "hill", is we are learning more on how to transmute atomic elements. You know we have been creating plutonium for quite some time now and the question is what to do with the old plutonium we no longer want.

Work is in progress using low-level neutron bombardment to process old plutonium, and, at the moment, they have managed to reduce the half-life of plutonium from 100,000 years to about 100 years. So instead of debating where we should store the stuff, let's give the boys up on the "hill" there a little more money, and maybe they can transmute it into an element that we don't have enough of on this planet!

D: Which is?

T: Perhaps platinum.

D: From plutonium to platinum. I think I like that!

T: Platinum is very useful in science! We make thermocouples and crucibles from platinum.

D: They also make heart valves out of it too.

T: Yes.

D: I know!

C: See? He saved your life! There you go!

D: Ya, really, that's amazing! Thanks a lot Tommy!

C: Several years before you knew him!

D: Exactly! It's amazing how the spin-offs from these material technologies, how they wind their way into the deepest parts of your life. In my case, that's a very true statement.

We'll be right back with more Community Connections right after this quick break for the weather.